These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know [be one with] thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Christ came to reveal and glorify the Father! Those who think of the Father as an Old Testament God, are ignorant knowing nothing.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Christ plainly says that he was WITH the Father and had a glory WITH the Father; BEFORE the very world began!
17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Christ declares plainly that all that he taught and did was from the Father; ad that he did nothing of his own self. There is absolutely NO difference between Christ and his Father in their teachings, commandments, actions and in their very natures; They are united, they are ONE together. That is the meaning of the Shema.
Deu 6 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: 2That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
As the Father and Christ are one; they share the same name.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Where is the compromise or toleration of sin in our beloved Lord or his magnificent Holy Father?
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
We are to be IN the Father AND the Son! We belong to BOTH the Father AND the Son! We are to OBEY our Father, as the law says! We are to obey our espoused Husband, as the law says.
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one [with God], as we are [one]. 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name [Christ did all things in the name of his Father]: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
We live in this society for the moment, but we are NOT to be worldly.
17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
We are to be sanctified [Set Apart] unto God; through the truth of God. We are to diligently study, learn and act on the truth of God’s Word; which will set us apart from this world and its ways.
17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Christ set himself apart from the world, that we may also do so through his sacrifice and by following his instructions and example.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
We are to be united with the Father and the Son as they are totally united with each other.
OH my friends, I have tried so very hard to teach this truth that our unity is to be WITH the Father AND Christ and not with just any other. Unity with our brethren comes through unity with our Father as a foundations, only then can we be united with like-minded persons.
To be united with others just for the sake of organizational unity is to be united with men and not with God. What compromise, what apostasies have d=been done for the sake of unity with friends; in place of true unity with God?
We have FORGOTTEN OUR FOUNDATION: which is the very Word of God!
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Christ made peace between us and the Father, by breaking down the partition if sin that divided us.
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Having paid the penalty for our sins through the destruction of his flesh; Christ abolished the judgment against us for those sins; and reconciled us to the Father. Making of us a new being, still of flesh, yet filled with the spirit of God; uniting God’s spirit with our flesh and making of these two a new being in Christ and the Father!
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Through repentance and the application of the Passover sacrifice of Christ, we have access to the Father and the very spirit and nature of God.
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
We then must set aside all worldliness and build in ourselves a NEW PERSON on the foundation of the Word of God; WITHOUT compromise, and tolerating for the sake of unity with the sinful.
17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; ; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
We are to be ONE with the Father and Christ; as they are ONE with each other. We are to be full of Christ-like zeal for the Father; his will and all of his commandments; always!
WITHOUT compromise and WITHOUT ceasing!
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Christ asks that his followers be glorified [changed to spirit] as he is to be glorified [changed to spirit] .
17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Christ openly says that he has declared [revealed] the Father to his disciples, so that they will all know the Father as well as the Son; and so that they can enter into the same loving unity, that Christ has with the Father.
Jesus ending his prayer left the banquet room and went out to a garden with his disciples.
1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.
Here John skips over the events and prayer in the garden covered in the other Gospels and goes right to the arrest of Christ.
18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.
18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
Satan had entered Judas and the others were also motivated by demons; therefore when Christ said “I Am Christ” they fell back from him.
18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Jesus then told them to let his compatriots leave, and they obeyed him.
18:7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 18:8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: 18:9 That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
Then brave Peter not understanding that the time for the Kingdom of God was not yet come, stood up to defend Jesus.
18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant’s name was Malchus.
In spite of this, this band let the disciples go, and Jesus told Peter that he must DO the Father’s will and die for humanity.
Jesus gave his life to do the Father’s will: And so many of us cannot even stay away from polluting Sabbath in a restaurant or keep Passover on the correct date; to please the Father!
18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? 18:12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, 18:13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. 18:14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
18:15 And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple [John] : that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest.
John asked the door keeper to let Peter in, and she recognized Peter.
18:16 But Peter stood at the door without. Then went out that other disciple [John], which was known unto the high priest, and spake unto her that kept the door, and brought in Peter.
Peter denies Christ the first time.
18:17 Then saith the damsel that kept the door unto Peter, Art not thou also one of this man’s disciples? He saith, I am not. 18:18 And the servants and officers stood there, who had made a fire of coals; for it was cold: and they warmed themselves: and Peter stood with them, and warmed himself.
When asked of his doctrine, Jesus replies that his doctrine is well known by all.
18:19 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
It was unlawful to make a man testify of or against himself, and Jesus then tells them to bring witnesses to what he had taught.
18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. 18:21 Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.
Jesus insists that the office who struck him, justify his unlawful act.
18:22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so? 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?
18:24 Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.
Peter denies Christ a second time.
18:25 And Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. They said therefore unto him, Art not thou also one of his disciples? He denied it, and said, I am not.
Malchus’ kinsman then remembers Peter, and Peter again denies Christ.
Brethren, Peter DID NOT yet have God’s spirit! When he received God’s spirit of power, he would be in constant remembrance of his weakness without God’s spirit all his life; yet he would not falter or quit; NO! NO! NO! He would go on to do mighty deeds through the Spirit of God!
When we fall, we are not to give up; rather we are to get back up, dust ourselves off, learn the appropriate lesson: and KEEP on KEEPING ON, in zeal for our Mighty God! Knowing that as long as we are zealously TRYING, even though occasional mistakes are made: He will lift us up by his Mighty Hand and Deliver us from all our weaknesses!
18:26 One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him? 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
Christ was then led to Pilate’s judgment seat. These folks were preparing to eat the Passover late on Passover day, as the Passover was eaten any time on Passover day during the Temple period, due to the time needed to slaughter the great masses of lambs.
The Passover was only to be eaten by the physically CLEAN and UNDEFILED! Even so the New Covenant Passover is ONLY to be taken by the repentant, who have been covered by the blood of the Lamb of God and are spiritually CLEAN and UNDEFILED by any sin.
NO! NO! NO! Jesus Christ will not apply his sacrifice to continued and unrepented sin! To partake of his Passover sacrifice we MUST REPENT and commit ourselves; to go and sin NOT MORE!
Anyone who is lax and tolerant of sin; who compromises with the teachings of Jesus Christ; no matter how much emotional “love” he claims to have: IS NOT WORTHY to take the New Covenant Passover and will NOT be accepted by Jesus Christ. ONLY the faithful diligent DOERS of the teachings and commandments of Christ will have the sacrifice of Christ applied to themselves.
Those FALSE TEACHERS who say that Christ will not mind if we compromise with his instructions, IS leading you to damnation!
18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Pilate then went outside to hear their accusation and they did not accuse Christ of anything specific, only saying that he was a malefactor.
18:29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? 18:30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.
Pilate then told them to judge Jesus [Yeshua] by the laws of the Jews.
Now the law requires stoning for blasphemy, which is the accusation against Jesus. Yet these leaders of the religious establishment wanted Christ to be crucified, which was foretold by the prophets; and that was strictly a Roman punishment.
18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death [by crucifixion] : 18:32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
Pilate then interrogates Christ.
18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 18:34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
Pilate answers that he does not know about the religion of the Jews.
18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is not yet.
18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Jesus declares that he has come to speak the truth and that he will be King at the appointed time.
18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Since Jesus said that he had no interest in being a king and declared that because of that his servants will not fight; Pilate judged that Christ was not guilty of insurrection and not worthy of crucifixion.
18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out [outside of the courtroom] again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Pilate asks them to bid him release Jesus according to the Passover custom; and these religious leaders of the Church of God of that day rejected Christ and took the part of the rebel.
18:39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? 18:40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
>James, you completely ignored the scriptures I sent you yesterday, yet today u ram through other scriptures that you think suupport your nicean theory. Nehemiah Gordon will refute your understanding on this and Gen.1:1 Again Acts 3:13 The GOD OF Abraham Isaac and Jacob and James Malm The God of “WHO” our Fathers Did What? Raised up the dead man Jesus. James Malm adds words to scriptures! John 17:3 “Be One With” yes this would help the tritarian arguement, but its not there James you should no better than to add words to scripture.Rev 13:8 Jesus slain from the foundation of the world!Eph 1:4 Just as He choseus in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy.Looks like our holiness was known to the father like the sons glory since the foundation of the world. IICor 5:21 For HE (father) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the rightousness of (Who) God in Him (Christ) The Shema, James again ask somebody like Nehemiah if any real Jew agrees with your interpetaion of the Shema! The Shema is differentating between God and gods in a numerical understanding 1 verses 2 or three or many as the nations around Isreal worshipped. Christ was raised up from David to become the Lamb and atonement for sin This was his primary mission and by doing this gave mankind hope that there would be eternal life for those who follow the fathers laws and abide in his love. Remember you have to be teachable like a little child, not a know it all, which is it then? Deut 6 That you may fear the Lord (Adonia always the fathers)your God,to keep all HIS (not theres) commandments. Who is this God? vrs3 The Lord (Adonia) of your fathers, The same as Acts 3:13 Strongs 3068 Yahweh
(Joh 17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I understand & agree with the issue of one Elohim, not 2 or 3, as most believe but can you elaborate on this verse further?
Thanks Donna for the question. I know if you get into this subject you’ll have many more questions concerning the nature of God. It is the first and greatest commandment and the most controversal. The trinitarians which makes up the majority of christanity and the two god group which makes up just a small group. You must keep in mind that the trinitarians were the translators of our modern bibles! Example in John 16:13-14 where the holy spirit is called” He” instead of “IT” most COGs would agree that this is trinitarian bias to create a third member in the Godhead. As I pointed out in John 1:2 that the word was with God, 2 it was in the beginning with God. This is from the 1534 William Tyndale bible. I would like to mention that there are good books out there on this subject that have a scripture index so you can say go to Phil.2:6 and find that topic quickly as you have questions. The first book I would recommend is called “The Trinity Christianity’s self inflicted Wound. by Anthony Buzzard former A/C member from Englands Bricket Wood campus. One God One Lord by Mark Graeser John Lynn and John Scheonheit is excelent to. Now to answer your Question. on John 17:5 “From Jesus Was not a Trinitarian” By Anthony Buzzard, pg 287 Jesus request that he now recieve as the reward of his ministry the accomplished, the glory “which I had with You (the father) before the foundation of the world.” This is glory in prospect, glory promised in advance. He says nothing about regaining glory, temporarily forsaken, but of winning that glory for the first time. In the very same context the same glory is promised by Jesus to disciples (not even alive you and me) when Jesus spoke these words: I pray “for those who are to believe in me through their (Apostles) word” (v20) I have given them the glory which You have given to me”(v22) It is glory promised but not yet conferred. In the new testament rewards are regularly promised as existing now in heaven as treasure stored up for future. If you “parade your uprightness in public to attract attention” Jesus said in Matt6:1 “you have no reward with your Father,”i.e. stored up now with God. The glory Jesus requested for himself in John 17:5 was glory in prospect and promise. He possessed it in God’s decrees and now it was time for it to be bestowed. The request reminds us of the statement ” inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world” ( Matt 25:34). The Kingdom itself lies in the future but it has been promised from the beginning. So too do with the glory which Jesus asked to receive as a result of his completed work. The context of John 17:5 in verses 20 and 22 should not be overlooked.” He goes on but I hope this will encourage you to study further. For me every scripture I read I think to myself who is talking here! I haven’t found one scripture in the old testament where Jesus is talking only the father the God of both the old and new testaments…